Milwaukee August 1981

1981 was a 9 weeks on the road year like 1978 was. Leave in June when school ended and return in September when just before school started.

It’s kinda funny that just yesterday my oldest friend and I were discussing my strange memory and then I came across this box of Milwaukee Road images.

I seem to have the ability to recall in great detail places I visited once or twice while on the road and I still ” see ” my hometown as it was in the 70s… drive’s my wife nuts when we are there and I call out lunch at Arthur’s liquors ( its been a Mexican place since about 1980 ) .

See I can recall precisely the place this was taken, the heat and even a bit of the discussion Dad and I had about the “domes that contained palm trees”.

This terrarium seemed odd since we have three palms in the yard at home. “…think winter… ” was his reply. Oh, yeah.

I did check Google for confirmation – that the spot was the same.

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Lucky for me the ball park and arboretum are still there.

Also It realize its called Butler Yard and it has changed a lot… really most of it is gone now. I do like the high views tho..

July 1973 Milwaukee 873

The Milwaukee was one of Dad’s favorite roads to photograph.

He ( and later we ) would find and photograph the Milwaukee Road in our northern states summer trips.

This is from July 1973, Dad was working in the Portland office of his company and that meant weekends on the Milwaukee & SP&S instead of coming back to the SF Bay Area every weekend.

Here we have a tired slide that was shot on the dark side and has age spots – like me !

It looks a bit like a H.O. Model on my PC Screen.

Summer grass punctuated by a miniature monolith. Abandoned grey aged plank church, cows in distant, poles, wires and a pallet under the wire and along the old style concrete road way posts.

I really like it.

Milwaukee 873

Before and after Portland, Aug 1975

So lets see, 2019 – 1975 = 44 years !

Well I tried to get this lined up but Google Man will not walk down the track.

Still it makes sense to try the Before/After Slider Thing but you can see the spot here better on your own.

Maybe Google Man doesn’t want to crew with the track group spotted here in 2019.

MILW 5800 is a U36C according to the RR Archives and was scrapped in 1985

So let’s see 2019 – 1985 = 34 years !

August 1973 MILW 6002

Milwaukee Railroad engine number 6002
MILW 6002 GE U30B

Dad loved Washington and Oregon and the Milwaukee was there with his beloved SP&S.

This is August of 1973 and was probably a weekend between weeks that he had while working out of the Portland office.

See way before work at home and the internet, you actually had to leave your family behind and go to a different city to work when “Voluen-Told” to do so. Also that was how you proved your self & ascended in a company. Yep days gone by for sure.

Based on the RR Archive, this would have been five years into the upgrade from U28 to U30B.

I think that the Milwaukee is pretty special as well with their variety of equipment and their rural lines through the wilds of the high plains, into the northern midwest to the Lake Michigan. Some of my best childhood travels were along these lines and they are still discussed today on a Reddit thread occasionally..

Anyway here is to the simpler times and Kodachrome memories.

Portola Museum September 17th, 1996

Towards the end of his life, Dad was retired and restless. He spent a lot of time with my son and for that I am ever grateful.

Occasionally, he would feel well enough to take Mom and head to museums that he supported through donations, to “see where my money is going” and he’d smile.

ROAD TRIP !

This slide set is one photo with two approaches.

The first is only trimmed to avoid the second and Gimp did that for me – somehow. ( https://www.gimp.org/ ) but I cannot outsmart the colour adjusting.

I like Gimp and appreciate it but the wife works for Adobe.com and it is more powerful in a lot of ways so buy it please :0) I want to retire someday.

Onward

The WP Museum at Portola, California <<< CLICK THIS LINK AND SUPPORT is family friendly, has hands on opportunities and is living history.

I really appreciate the composition here and although slightly trimmed at the right, the depth is fascinating, to me anyway. Actually it looks like an H.O. model.

Image of the original slide in the mount.
That’s the way it goes !

And then there is the reality of the image. Not the end of roll where you often see these sorts of things, but right in the middle.

But it was (is) a keeper and you may want to while away some time at their gallery : https://www.wplives.org/gallery/home_page_cover_photos.html too.

SP 2685 EMD SW1500

Southern Pacific EMD SW1500 number 2685 likely in the San Jose area approximately 1971.
SP 2685

Although a little shady at the left this image was worth the scan and adjust. The unit is EMD SW1500 and based on the RR Archives; its all of about two years old here … estimating by the other prints in this box.

That archive link shows it in pretty rough shape and makes me think that this little work horse was never repainted.

Also a guess but I think San Jose, California – or thereabouts. Dad did work in the Houston office for a time in 1970 where he bought a used Ford Maverick but the hills say California to me.

SP Budd RDC-1 No. 10 and you can help save it!

Front end view of Southern Pacific number 10 Budd Manufacturing  Rail Diesel Car type 1
SP RDC-1 #10

This is from September 1969 and although I am unsure where teh time line is right for Dad being in San Jose office.

Budd made quite a few Rail Diesel Cars however, SP only purchased one unit. This car is alive and here is the history : https://www.splives.org/wp/sp-10/history/

There is one photo RRARCHIVES from a few months ago that states this car is actually slated for restoration at the planned Southern Pacific History Center

They have a donation pager here : https://www.splives.org/wp/

SP 3030 San Jose Service

Southern Pacific engine 3030 at the service center in San Jose California
San Jose Facility

The Peninsula Commuter started in 1863 and made it as a private enterprise until Southern Pacific petitioned for dissolution in 1977.

Dad rode it from Burlingame to San Francisco and occasionally to San Jose for work. Mom & I used to take him in the ’62 Chevy Biscayne or he would take the Jeep. I recall him saying that if he was running late, he would get on at the California Drive Station and shut the Jeep off and hop out letting it “self-park” by rolling to a stop in gear and stalling against the parking stops made from telephone poles. Was ahead of Tesla on that score.

In the 1930’s and 1940’s, he and grandma would ride from San Mateo (well, Broadway, Burlingame Station) to San Francisco to go to Emporium for a day of shopping.

Kudos to Wiki for the link and the maps below here.

1885
1955

Now its CALTRAIN that is continuing the tradition of mass transit.

CalTrain public transit map
Cal Train 2020

SP 4001 Nose Detail MAR 71

Scanned at 600 Dpi – no adjustments
SP 4001 levels adjusted

Dad could, when he chose to, compose a photo.

If he was alone and unhurried he would take his time to assemble an image. Some of his earlier work was that way, like from the 40s … and of girls mostly. Some of his Hawaii images from the pre statehood days are pretty good too link to : Wix FredsSlides.

The magic of black and white is never lost when one composes a shot. Matthew Brady, Ansel Adams and Dorethea Lang proved that.

Here we have the luxury to play with settings in Photoshop and I do that on occasion. I do more now that I am using Wordlress.Com (I cannot put the time in for .ORG version that is much more robust).

So I did that here.

I like the moody shadows of the Alco and the crisp detail of the support structure at left and the Chevy or Ford van. Even the ballast has depth and shadows.

Lighter brightness and lower contrast does enhance dome of the shadow surfaces and reveals the brake wheel detail.

I see some value to this of course. But I am no photographer and it can be learned I suppose.

Below reveals what a simpleton I am though :

Close up of front of engine with chains and brake wheel.

This part looks like a face looking away and sticking it’s tongue sticking out.

SP 4003 – ALCO RS 32 March 1971

Black and white photo of Southern Pacific 4003 engine near a highway underpass.
SP 4003

This print has a dated frame making it March of 1971. I feel like this is in Southern California, Sierra St. Colton, CA , but that areas has changed a lot.

I looked at the rrarchives again and found a little rabbit hole of the history – I highly recommend it .

For those that are making models I have added a close up here of an interesting detail :

Close up of the number boards of SP engine 4003 above the cab
Up close on the brow
Close up of side lettering showing Kern and vertical alignment issues of letters.
The Wavy SP

I find little slices of details are helpful when one looks at an era for models. Weathering is one thing….but the this is a unique “Wave” lettering scheme for sure.

SP 6451

Southern Pacific EMD F A unit and two more with not visible numbers at Oakland California.
Southern Pacific 6451

Another undated black and white 4×6 inch print.

I am guessing that this is pre Amtrak or right at the start when they didn’t re-logo for a while.

This time I think we are at Oakland, California 16th Street passenger station based on the tower, the overheads behind and the assembled power pole at the right.

There are still a few along the Nimitz freeway (CA Highway 17 now Interstate 880 for more funding ).

The area is mostly condos now and the station is ruined by vandals.

SP 3031

Southern Pacific engine 3031 with six passenger cars headed south toward San Jose, California.
SP 3031 headed South

If you don’t know, you are supposed to post an Alternative Text in a box when you post on a blog. It helps the sight impaired to have their computer read the caption for them; it’s an ADA thing. Some folks don’t do it but I always do…. My eyesight is shit and so was Fred III (Dad) and Fred IV (brother) were the same – so it’s respect.

The best part is that I have to actually think a bit about things when I post and really try to get an accurate description.

Part of the Alt Text rule is that you can’t just copy/paste over and over because it’s a disservice to the sight impaired and I agree.

Here is the copy/paste of that text “Southern Pacific engine 3031 with six passenger cars headed south toward San Jose, California”.

The page gets read as well and I feel like I can add more here :

First, giving credit where credit is due, there is a link to the rrarchives here that tells the history.

Secondly, I am pretty sure that this was in the South Bay where Dad and Brother would go photograph FMs on weekends, and Dad would on week days – they knew this generation of SP diesels was aging out.

Third, I did fiddle with the brightness and contrast since the original shot is dark. Nowadays, that is done in Photoshop and super easy. Honestly though, posting a dark shot of history still counts, so I’ll share good and bad.

…-rob

SP 2664

Also 298 and 475

Southern Pacific engine and baggage car in San Jose by water tower.
SW 1500 SP 2664

I really like this undated print. I am sure its about 1970-1971 in San Jose (water tower is the tip off).

At the center is SW1500 2664 looking pretty sharp doing the usual yard work of shunting SP Commuter equipment at the South end of the line.

The Economy Baggage Car 298 is a M510 type similar to this.

SP 475 peeking at right is marked “caboose” and has a sad looking color photo here.

My favorite part is the ground man with teh wide brimmed hat :

Man with hat on train steps

did he (or any of us) ever think we would be able to share this moment at work about 50 years later with the entire world?

SP 4002 MAR 71

train
SP 4002

In March of 1971 my Dad took the train south to the San Jose branch office of the company that he worked for. I believe that this is in San Jose.

Regardless I really like the detail in this image, the open doors and the lubrication drips below the coupling knuckle.

There are a few photos at the rrarchives.net states that this engine ended up life in Utah. I recall seeing this and several other 4000 numbered Alcos in line there as well.

I suppose that I’ll find that box of slide photos as I trudge through the 60,000 or so.

SP 3026 MAR 71

Southern Pacific 3026 TRAIN MASTER
Train Master

Certainly in San Jose again. The Train Master was the SF Peninsula Commuter power for many years.

I Googled a bit for this data that shows only 14 units for Southern Pacific.

A bit of a rare one then.

SP 1831, 5119 & Undec.

Southern pacific 1831,5119 and an un decorated center cab
SP 1831, 5119 and a center cab

There are a bunch of SP prints in Dad’s stuff. Most have the Kodak date on the frame, but some don’t. No locations are noted and if you can help that would be terrific.

SP 1831 is an S4, I believe, based on the RR Archives although this unit isn’t there.

SP 5119 looks pretty rough here but it seems to be alive today : https://www.psrm.org/trains/diesel/sp-5119/

The mysterious Center Cab reminds me of the “Undec” that Walthers used to have listed.

SP 3001, 3002, 3010, 3189 June 1977

Trains in front of a brick building
Baker & Hamilton June 1977

Strange coincidence to share today.

My Dad or brother Fred IV, had marked this slide “Briggsmore Ave Modesto”. I searched with the Google machine and didn’t locate any signs of rails currently on Briggsmore Ave in Modesto.

The next step was to look at the building signage: ” BAKER & HAMILTON SINCE 1849 ” and Wiki popped up : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_and_Hamilton_Building

After looking over that and Google man walking around and comparing the features I decided that the slide was indeed marked wrong.

The strange coincidence comes in with my wife, Dana, who temped in this same building when it housed Macromedia, now owned by Adobe. Well, Adobe owns the building and Dana works for Adobe now.

These GP9s and GP9R are ( I think ) tied up for the Peninsula Commuter here at what is known as 7th & Townsend in San Francisco.

November 1972 ATSF 9809

ATSF 9809 at Barstow, California in November of 1972.
Alco RSD15 Barstow, California

It’s November of 1972 and Fred was visiting Barstow, Pentax and zoom lens in hand, visiting the ATS Barstow shops. Also partially visible are ATSF 25 and ATSF 4579.

ATSF 25 Appears to be a freight F3B but someone will have to verify since I cannot locate ant information beyond this link and that looks to be Warbonnet; so I don’t know.

ATSF 4579 seems to be a SD26 but again my Google Skills have me asking for input on this as well.

Anyway, hope that this looks okay and you enjoy this image as I do.

My First Blog Post

Sharing railroad history is a duty…

“Never waste a minute thinking about people you don’t like.”

― Dwight D. Eisenhower

Eisenhower is my inspiration and has little to to with my father Fred Klyver III or my brother Fred Klyver IV, both of whom contributed to the photos herein. However, I do think that they would have agreed with “Ike” in this sentiment.

Therefore, I feel it is important to think of these two people I liked and also you, the follower that has an interest in the subjects shared here – 99.99% are trains.

These sides have been stored in their Kodak little yellow boxes since they were returned from developing and they serve no one in that capacity.

I hope that you enjoy these slides and can help identify the location of these photos – Dad never marked the slide location and FRED IV did so sparingly.

My goal is to “locate” all the images, mark them and then DONATE them to the appropriate Historical society. A friend once said “These slides are history, and they should be shared” and I have to agree.

P.S. This WordPress blog is an intended to share the photos beyond Facebook, where I have posted for many years. For some cool photos check there, I’ll be going onward here and sharing this there,,,, Does that make sense?

Thanks for reading and stay tuned & tell a friend about this site to spread the images,

peace …-rob klyver

SP 4449 before

SP 4449

Welp today would have been Fred’s 92nd birthday and I managed to grab this print of his.

Although undated it represents SP 4449 before restoring to make The American Freedom Train and then the Daylight thereafter.

Dad lived a few houses off the SP Peninsula line where 4449 and friends used to run by all day, shaking the house like a Three Stooges movie. He credited his interest in trains to this Amazon proximity to these giant, fire breathing beasts.

That was when San Mateo Drive was dirt … he told me about the sight of the elephant towing the steam calliope north up the slight hill with the man playing the circus “oomph path path oompah” music frantically, much to his amusement as a little boy.

That makes sense to me, the train connection…. Also the imagination of those traveling passengers and the places that he could only dream about.

Later in life we visited all 50 states, most several times, large part of Canada and Mexico too… all the while photographing the trains you see here.

Happy Birthday Dad, you would have been humbled by the appreciation shown by followers here.

But dude I wish you had marked the date and location on all these…

Desert Running

I’m visiting the desert this week and it’s 102f in the shade.

I’m reminded of the days of summer travels with Dad and Mom and occasionally Brother Fred across California and Nevada and Utah.

The hot super dry air kicks my ass more now than then; I’m spoilt by ocean side living these last few seasons.

Yet the familiar sage, sand a Roadrunner that has been around the back yard throughout the day make me think of the long days on Hwy 50 “chasing” trains .

The road would humm under the G78-15 tires and the brick like aerodynamic shape of Harvey ( the truck ) made a jet like background noise.

There was usually a scanner blasting through an 8ohm dynamic single speaker facing the transmission hump and a Ford Factory speaker facing the windshield, searching for an AM signal that would drift in and out.

This image is from later years I suspect but it’s nostalgic as it is going to get on an iPhone.

UP 8444 leading an excursion .